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Kit Building / Re: My FSM Collection - FSM25 Branchline Water Tower
« on: February 11, 2020, 07:23:24 PM »
Time to get the water tank itself going.

The kit includes a section of a mailing tube and some scribed wood siding to fashion the tank.

I am not sure why the kit did not include one sheet of scribed wood long enough to wrap around the tank. The modeler is to butt join both pieces of wood siding to make the necessary length to wrap around the tank. That was one tricky feat.

The instructions say the siding ends up wrapping over itself and to trim the excess. I debated over that. Instead, I measured the tank's circumference and transferred that to a piece of paper and then that to the butt joined siding.

I wanted to make sure I was not going to come up short so I cut the wood siding a tad longer so I could trim it to fit once on the mailing tube. I then rolled the piece of mailing tube along the length of the wood siding to ensure it was all going to fit.

You can see where I made a mark on the tube and rolled it from one end of the wood to the other. There was a tad more length of siding than necessary to wrap around the tube. I am in business here.

I used wood glue to secure the wrapped siding around the tube.

And in my zeal to prove my efforts worthy, I made a huge mistake. I was supposed to scribe the siding with grooves where to lay the metal bands around the tank PRIOR to gluing the wood to the mailing tube.

Well, ain't no step for a stepper. I will have to deal with it as I go along.

I will stain the tank with the vinegar and steel wool brine once the glue is good and dry.

Meanwhile, I have to figure out a way to wrap the metal bands around the tank adequately. So, I wrapped the banding template around the tank and marked where the bands should go on the tank.

This is what one is to use for the metal banding, some fishing line included in the kit.

I spray painted the fishing line a rust color.

Here is how the fishing line is secured to the tank. You press some pins through the tank and wrap the fishing line around the pins which serve as an anchor for each of metal bands.

I managed to salvage the whole effort after a lot of fidgeting with the fishing line. The pin heads and the loops of fishing line around them will get covered with the water depth gauge later on.

More as it develops.


Kit Building / Re: My FSM Collection - FSM25 Branchline Water Tower
« on: February 11, 2020, 06:42:54 PM »
This is a really neat idea for series of build threads Jamie.  It'll be great to see some of these older kits put together and the steps that involves.  Thanks for sharing!   :D
There is a lot of detail in this kit. For a 50+ year old kit I'd say it is definitely a good representation of what a real craftsman kit ought to be.


Kit Building / Re: My FSM Collection - FSM25 Branchline Water Tower
« on: February 11, 2020, 06:41:11 PM »
karl............the white box and the yellow box version of first kit #25 water tank.

  I used to see wanted ads for the WHITE BOX version, think was Jimmy D.  Probably less made of those making the desirability higher along with price asked.

I also remember when people were selling EMPTY FSM kit boxes and plans.

George must have worked up a real sweat producing some of those 5000 units.

mike lynch.................HAIRBALL
Did the white box version come with the blue embossed thick paper?

Mine is the yellow box version and it must have been made some years after it was originally released. In the box was a "catalog" of 10 other FSM kits still for sale.

Anyway, 5000 is a lot of kits. I wonder how many have actually been built up.


Kit Building / Re: My FSM Collection - FSM25 Branchline Water Tower
« on: February 11, 2020, 06:37:41 PM »
that's what outside decks are for .......opening floquil paint and cracking the cap on sweet and sour staining mixture.

I made some and used it once then stopped.  Am pretty sure I went to FIEBING LEATHER DYE and 99% pure isopropinal alcohol.  Tended to stick to USMC black as giving me exactly what I wanted to achieve, I also believe I was experimenting with Fiebing in various shades of browns, before I laid down tools in 2013 and started building 1935 Chevrolets full size HOT RODS.

3 of them, 2 done and roadster under construction in garage still in 2020
Cool rides there.


Kit Building / Re: My FSM Collection - FSM25 Branchline Water Tower
« on: February 10, 2020, 07:04:44 PM »
That is looking very good. I do remember the steel wool in vinegar technique from back in the 80s, I think. If I recall correctly, it was covered in Model Railroader as Sweet and Sour Weathering!  :)   I did try it, and am pretty sure I liked the results, although do remember the strong smell, and probably for that reason did not stick with using it.

--Opa George
Sweet and Sour. I like that. You have to keep the container shut tight and do the staining deed real quick.


Baggage Car - Daily Chat / Re: Monday Feb 10,2020
« on: February 10, 2020, 06:56:57 AM »
Monday !!!

Lots of rain here. Even more later this week.

Time to get the work week started.



Vehicle Modeling / Re: New O Scale FORD Model T Vehicles
« on: February 09, 2020, 06:43:30 PM »
Very nice!


Modeling Reference Pix / Re: Run down garage
« on: February 09, 2020, 01:23:48 PM »
Super cool. I love how the roofing is just all shattered and crumbled.

Should be there now. Looks like there are two ways to send a msg - one by clicking on the little envelope under your name in your post, and one by going into messages. I clicked on the envelope. Hope it works.

I do software for a living. This is, um, embarrassing   :P

It's no wonder people hate computers.


Scratchbuilding / Re: RGS COAL ORE CHUTE
« on: February 09, 2020, 11:31:55 AM »
I wonder if you aren't able to get a copy off those form the RGS historical society or even maybe a public library somewhere.


Kit Building / Re: 2020 Build Challenge: FSM The Rock Bunker
« on: February 09, 2020, 11:30:35 AM »
thanks Bob and karl!
    this kit is nothing but strip wood in bags! ha ha!.... the instructions call for the plate and NBWs to be put on after the framing is done, but I'm holding off until the floor and interior bunker walls are done.  The flooring is put in board by board, then the interior walls are made by edge gluing strip wood together. I made a template using some thin cardboard to check the fit and its all looking good so far....
I've enjoyed best the board-by-board builds from FSM. It's like building the real in miniature..... Wait, isn't that what were after here  ;D


Well done Jaime.....amazing how a "paper" model can look so good.  8)
Thank you.

This kit has sparked an interest in me in what can be done with paper.


Scratchbuilding / Re: plans for coal dock
« on: February 09, 2020, 09:28:45 AM »
That would make a way cool coaling station on any layout of that era. I guess back then real estate was cheaper than machinery required to elevate the loads of coal thus the use of ramps.


Kit Building / Re: My FSM Collection - FSM25 Branchline Water Tower
« on: February 09, 2020, 09:18:54 AM »
Thanks for all the feedback.

Here is an example of how the detail on this kit is made by the modeler. Let's take a look at the only door in the kit.

You see how the door is printed in two parts on the pale yellow card with the water tower's roof template. The modeler is to cut out the panels on the main piece of the door and glue that to the door's backing. Then a pin's head is used as the door knob.

Here is how that goes together.

It's actually quite satisfying and there was no need to prime and paint a metal/plastic casting. Is the detail as sharp as a casting? No. But with practice I am sure a dedicated modeler could come real close. Plus, if you screw it up all you need to do it is cut another one. With a casting if you screw it up you need to go buy another one lol.

Here is a look at the ornamental brickwork. I need to redo the curved detail above the windows. The band of brick around the building looks ok. This little guy is ready for the tank to go on top.

To get started on the tank one needs to stain the strip wood provided in the kit. The instructions suggest a stain made of turpentine and lamp black oil color. I've tried that method in the past. It yields great results. However, it smells up your modeling area some kind of awful. So, I decided to try something different. I've seen on the YouTubes where cool wood workers use a stain made of white vinegar and steel wool to age wood. So I gave it a try. Basically you take a wad of 0000 steel wool and you dissolve it in about a pint of white vinegar. It took 5-6 days for my concoction to finish brewing. You then take the resulting "brine" and you can either use it full strength or you can dilute it. I made a batch of 1/2 diluted "brine". Basically I took a cup of the "brine" and to that I added a cup of fresh white vinegar.

Here is what I got.

That length of strip wood was stained with the vinegar/steel wool brine on either end. The middle is left "virgin" from the kit. Here are my observations:
- it leaves the wood with a warm brown tone
- it smells up your work area but not as much as the turpentine suggested by the kit
- it takes much longer to dry than rubbing alcohol and India ink stain
- it makes the grain on the wood pop better than alcohol and India ink
- it does not penetrate as deep as alcohol and India ink so you basically have to soak the wood with the vinegar/steel wool brine
- I like it as an alternative to traditional model railroading stains

Here is a comparison with the middle of the length of strip wood stained with alcohol and India ink.

And here is a batch of more strip wood stained with the vinegar brine.

You can see where I missed a couple of spots when applying the brine.

Have any of you tried the vinegar and steel wool stain either on models or full size wood working?

More as it develops.


The Official F&SM Layout Thread! / Re: 2020 FSM Pilgrimage
« on: February 09, 2020, 07:59:29 AM »
It's always special to see the reactions of first-time visitors!
Thanks for helping make this an event.


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