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Title: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 27, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Welcome to Volume 3 of the Superior & Seattle Railroad Build Thread. Volume 2 was getting close to the 200 page limit so I decided to start volume 3.

Index

Volume 3

Vol. 3  Page 1 - Control Panel Construction for the Phase IV expansion.
Vol. 3  Page 2 -
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 09:27:52 AM
As we start Volume 3 of this build thread I'm working on the electronics for the Phase IV expansion of the layout. There will be a total of four control panels for this large yard. I'm using the Barrett Hill Touch control switches to control the turnouts.


I'm also working on an update to my track plan and will be posting it along with an update to my layout at a glance page with all the new information about the layout.  This will be a project for the time I spend at the S&S RR Northern Headquarters. I just don't seem to take the time to do it when I can be working on the layout.


I'm also getting the workshop in order and will soon be starting a new build.  The beautiful yellow box for FSM's Fox Run Milling is on the workbench. I have six FSM kits, for The Eagles Nest Yard, and the SWRM Brick Roundhouse for the Superior Yard, next up on my build list.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on July 28, 2019, 02:14:23 PM
John,

You have been very busy as well my friend. I love the yard and control panel. Fantastic job sir. Looking forward to more.

Well done.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 03:56:24 PM
John,

You have been very busy as well my friend. I love the yard and control panel. Fantastic job sir. Looking forward to more.

Well done.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you for the kind words and the inspiration.  Your build thread has been a constant source of inspiration over the years.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 04:14:36 PM
The first control panel in Phase IV is powered. The track that it controls is the West Superior Yard which is visible above the panel in the picture. The moldings are all put in with screws, just in-case there are changes.  ;)   And also to remove them for staining and finishing.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280719161138.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 04:16:15 PM
If you study the schematic you can see how the power districts are setup. There is a switch on the lefts side of the panel to turn each power district on and off.  The third column of switches is for controlling the power for the upper level in this area.  The future Phase V expansion.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on July 28, 2019, 05:18:43 PM
John, how long on average is a power district?


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: DennisBourey on July 28, 2019, 06:02:54 PM
Love it John....Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: sdrees on July 28, 2019, 06:07:12 PM
Nice looking panel John.  You will love the Barrett-Hill switches.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 06:35:34 PM
John, how long on average is a power district?


dave


Dave


I broke up the layout into power districts based more on function than a particular length of track.  But to answer your question I picked an average power district in the yard and it was 40 feet of track.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 06:36:20 PM
Love it John....Dennis


Thank you Dennis.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 06:37:42 PM
Nice looking panel John.  You will love the Barrett-Hill switches.


Thank you Steve.  So far I really like the way the Barrett-Hill switches are working and the ease of installation.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 07:33:54 PM
Here is a picture of the work area around the control panel.  All of the connection boards are mounted in the top of the cabinet, so I found another use for the cushions from my gazebo chairs. A laying down job - doesn't get any better than that.  I'll post a couple pictures of the connection boards while you can still see them. The wires and label tags will hide them before all the wiring is done.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280719192022.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 07:42:27 PM
This is the junctions for the touch switches.  The wires you see are attached to the touch switches under the control panel surface.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280719191657.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 07:44:26 PM
As you can see I label the incoming and out going wires and the connection point. All the labels come in handy when trouble shooting is required.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 07:47:45 PM
This is the connection board for the track power.  Only one power district is connected right now, number 105 which is the mainline for the helix. The last time you saw this it was on my workbench.  This is also mounted in the top of the cabinets so all I have to do is reach up to make the connections.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280719191604.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 07:50:28 PM
Here is a zoomed out picture showing both connection boards.  Each of the control panels will have their own junction board for the touch switches.  All of the 12 volt power supplies will be plugged into this power strip.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280719191532.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 07:53:21 PM
Finally, for tonight, I cut the holes and started construction for two more control panels. I took a picture of the one in the hall way- it will control the turnouts in the South Yard - the second one is right beside the control panel that is finished and will control the North Yard turnouts (picture next time).




(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280719191755.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on July 28, 2019, 08:14:50 PM
John, thanks for the 'average' - that gives me a good sense of how I might split my layout into Power Districts of a comparable size/complexity.  (probably 4, in my case :-) :-) )

dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 09:38:04 PM
John, thanks for the 'average' - that gives me a good sense of how I might split my layout into Power Districts of a comparable size/complexity.  (probably 4, in my case :-) :-) )

dave


Dave


I would say that the most important rule is any hidden areas need to be on their own power district.
Like inside Mountains and tunnels.  That is where the shorts will occur, manly because you can't see that pair of rail cutters you laid on the track when you were working in there,  and being able to isolate these areas can save hours trying to find a short. The other area is locomotive storage areas. I like to be able to shut off the sound to all the locomotives in a roundhouse with one switch.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on July 29, 2019, 09:01:27 AM
... The other area is locomotive storage areas. I like to be able to shut off the sound to all the locomotives in a roundhouse with one switch.

That's a good point!  The big yard would be on its own block, but I'll add a separate block for the roundhouse.  (I'm years away from tackling the big yard/engine terminal...)

dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Lynnb on July 30, 2019, 03:38:12 PM
Nice work on the wiring, I'm wondering if you have a separate schematic with all those numbered terminals. Personally I haven't touched my layout since building a couple large tressels, been trying to dedicate time to building structures.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on July 30, 2019, 04:01:04 PM
Hey John:

Looks great. glad you know what you are doing. I'd be totally lost if I had to do that.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 30, 2019, 04:27:33 PM
Nice work on the wiring, I'm wondering if you have a separate schematic with all those numbered terminals. Personally I haven't touched my layout since building a couple large tressels, been trying to dedicate time to building structures.


Lynn



Thank you for the kind words.  Yes- I do have multiple layers of schematics.  It is just layers in the CAD drawings. I print what I want on the hardcopy to work with.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 30, 2019, 04:29:36 PM
Hey John:

Looks great. glad you know what you are doing. I'd be totally lost if I had to do that.

Karl


Karl


Thank you - we need to get you started with wiring by lighting up those beautiful structures of yours.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 31, 2019, 04:09:39 PM
Update:  I took an unscheduled trip up to the Northern Headquarters of the S&S RR to check for storm damage. After two days of moving trees everything is cleaned up.  I did spend a couple hours on my design work last night and found a turnout on the track pictures that wasn't on my schematic for the next control panel.  Perfect time to find it. :-[  I will be printing a new copy of the schematic before assembling the next control panel.  Tomorrow, I will be cleaning up the tree that feel in my yard while I was gone, before I can get to work on the railroad.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 01, 2019, 03:47:21 PM
It's a great day for working in the gazebo! I'm putting the control panel touch screens together for two more control panels. Really enjoying the beautiful weather. Sunny 70's and low humidity - it just doesn't get any better. It sounds like we are going to have this same weather the next few days so layout work will be limited to the projects that I can do outside. I have plenty of them - keep this weather going.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010819154326.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: DennisBourey on August 02, 2019, 08:19:57 AM
Wow John,  You did a Beautiful Job. Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on August 02, 2019, 09:12:14 AM
Looks great, John.  How are you going to attach it so it can be removable in case of repair?

Jeff
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 02, 2019, 09:29:32 AM
Wow John,  You did a Beautiful Job. Dennis


Dennis


Thank you for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 02, 2019, 09:33:42 AM
Looks great, John.  How are you going to attach it so it can be removable in case of repair?

Jeff


Jeff


Thank you for the kind words.  The foam boards are held in the control panel with moldings which are attached with screws. The wiring is all accessible from the back of the panel.  I could actually replace most of the touch control switches from the back.  Some of them are behind bracing which would require removal of the panel from the front. See picture below.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280719161138.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 02, 2019, 10:35:38 PM
Tonight, we have power to the second of four control panels for the Superior Yard. Tomorrow, I will trim this control panel out and start on number three.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-020819223320.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dave K. on August 03, 2019, 07:25:52 AM
Woo-hoo! Like a Christmas tree!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on August 03, 2019, 09:47:15 AM
Hey John:

Great looking control panels.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2019, 12:27:03 PM
Woo-hoo! Like a Christmas tree!


Dave


I hope it's done in time for Christmas. ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 03, 2019, 01:11:02 PM
Really nice job John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on August 03, 2019, 03:14:53 PM
Very nice, John.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2019, 04:41:10 PM
Hey John:

Great looking control panels.

Karl


Karl


Thank you - I'm excited to run some trains and use them. I have a lot of wires to connect to make that happen.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2019, 04:42:15 PM
Really nice job John.


Curt



Thank you for following along, and the kind words. I'm making a little progress every day.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: MAP on August 03, 2019, 06:59:38 PM
Been following along.  Beautiful work on the control panels!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2019, 07:29:18 PM
Been following along.  Beautiful work on the control panels!


Mark


Thank you for following along and the kind words. Wiring is not a fast process, at least not for me. I have a ways to go yet on this but I'm happy with the results so far.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2019, 10:21:40 PM
Update: It looks like I'm going to add a fifth control panel to the Superior Yard.  I original was going to have the controls for the reversing loop, the helix and the roundhouse mounted right on the wall next to the roundhouse. After thinking about operations it would be nice to be able to control these turnouts from three locations: the main control panel at the Eagles Nest Yard, the control panel for the Superior Yard, and right near the roundhouse.  So I'm going to try a Barrett Hill device that allows three different touch switches to control a single turnout.  If you throw the turnout with any one of the three touch switches the lights sync to indicate the direction that the turnout is thrown.  Stay tuned I will let you know how it works.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on August 04, 2019, 08:49:05 AM
John I would have been lost on the second wire.  Your work is so neat and clean amazing job.

Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2019, 04:26:16 PM
John I would have been lost on the second wire.  Your work is so neat and clean amazing job.

Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for the kind words. The CEO keeps asking when I'm going to be ready to clean the basement and get rid of all the saw dust. ;) 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 05, 2019, 09:25:15 PM
Update: Today, I spent the day installing tortoise machines and wiring them to the control panel.  Not a lot to take pictures of, but one of those jobs that has to be done to get the railroad working.  I think installing tortoise machines and drop wires for the track power is going to consume most of my train time this week.  I'm at the point with this new expansion that I want to push to get everything running.  Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2019, 07:47:08 AM
I cut the oak plywood facia boards for the Superior Yard, yesterday.  The plywood and molds are ready for staining.  Also, 15 of the 52 Tortoise Machines are install and tested.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-070819074400.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on August 07, 2019, 11:30:16 AM
John,

Hey, those control panels look fantastic. Great job on them my friend. You are moving along faster than me.

Looks great.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2019, 09:28:51 PM
John,

Hey, those control panels look fantastic. Great job on them my friend. You are moving along faster than me.

Looks great.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you, I'm moving along at my pace - it's what us retired guys do.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on August 08, 2019, 12:07:53 AM
No cup holders?  I thought all you Detroit auto designers included cup holders!   :) ;) :D ;D


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 08, 2019, 07:07:09 AM
No cup holders?  I thought all you Detroit auto designers included cup holders!   :) ;) :D ;D


dave


Dave


The bar is just on the other side of the room. Away from all that expensive electronics.  ;) ;D  Thank you for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 09, 2019, 08:24:11 PM
Update:  Today, I decided to stain all of the moldings and plywood facia  pieces.  It was a beautiful day here so I spent most of the day in the garage rather than in the basement.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on August 10, 2019, 06:31:33 AM
John,

Hey, those control panels look fantastic. Great job on them my friend. You are moving along faster than me.

Looks great.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you, I'm moving along at my pace - it's what us retired guys do.


Every day is Saturday except on Sunday.  8)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 10, 2019, 09:23:25 AM
John,

Hey, those control panels look fantastic. Great job on them my friend. You are moving along faster than me.

Looks great.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you, I'm moving along at my pace - it's what us retired guys do.


Every day is Saturday except on Sunday.  8)






Amen
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 10, 2019, 08:10:53 PM
Update:  Today, I finished the plywood facias and moldings - two coats of Satin Polyurethane. They will be spending the night in the garage drying. I brought one board in to do a color check and I think we did a good job of matching the cabinets. I also, installed another group of tortoise machines number 20 of 53 required for the Superior Yard. I have one more to complete everything in the North Yard. I will try to remember to take a picture of the wiring and under the benchwork before I start adding the facia boards.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 06:01:15 PM
Here are a few pictures of the under the benchwork stuff - before I close up the benchwork with the facia boards. After the facia boards go on the natural light will be gone so it will be all flashlight work.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110819175441.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 06:03:01 PM
The Barrett Hill Direct Base boards. all wired up for the North Yard Control Panel.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110819175556.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 06:05:00 PM
The tree empty spots are for the three way controls for the turntable area. That control panel is on my workbench waiting for the frame to dry.







Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 06:05:52 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110819175628.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 06:06:16 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110819175658.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 06:10:01 PM
Finally, here is a picture of the North Yard Control Panel.  I'm about to take the molding off so I can stain and finish them. I have one change - I'm going to replace the .093 thickness Lexon with .06 thickness.  The toggles work but I'm having to work at it under certain light conditions.  Workbench tests have shown that this will fix the issue.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110819175529.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: DennisBourey on August 11, 2019, 07:23:01 PM
John, Very impressive. Touch the light toggle and boom it turns the switch to that track. Love it..Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 08:28:47 PM
John, Very impressive. Touch the light toggle and boom it turns the switch to that track. Love it..Dennis


Dennis


Thank you for following along.  Yes - some technology really is cool.  I think I'm going to like this control system.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 11, 2019, 08:39:25 PM
Very nice job John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: DennisBourey on August 11, 2019, 08:43:26 PM
John, Are they the double light toggle switches? Red & green or Green & green????

Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 08:45:33 PM
Very nice job John.


Curt


Thank you,
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 08:47:07 PM
John, Are they the double light toggle switches? Red & green or Green & green? ???

Dennis




Dennis


They are all double light toggle switches Red and Green - LED indicates turnout setting on the control panel. It makes it very easy to select your route.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: DennisBourey on August 11, 2019, 08:50:21 PM
John, Thank you sir...  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on August 12, 2019, 01:14:00 PM
Hey John:

everything is looking just great. Love the cabinetry.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 12, 2019, 03:28:44 PM
Hey John:

everything is looking just great. Love the cabinetry.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for stopping by. I'm staining the parts for the control panels today. Also, started adding the facia boards and the moldings. I had to order more wire :o .
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 12, 2019, 08:59:42 PM
Here is a progress picture of the facia and molding installation.  I keep moving back and forth between cabinets and wiring.   ;) 


The facia will have a number things mounted to it: outlets for the throttles, throttle holsters, car card racks, and maybe even a cup holder to keep Dave happy.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-120819204145.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 12, 2019, 09:06:24 PM
If you look in the hallway you can see the drawers have been removed and the cupboard doors  are open so I can install the tortoise machines for the South Superior Yard. I received my wire order late this afternoon so I can wire them as soon as I install them.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: cuse on August 13, 2019, 05:18:20 AM
John, This is an amazing project...like watching construction in a museum. Very impressive.


John

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on August 13, 2019, 08:23:17 AM
True story:  I worked for the US research lab of the huge German conglomerate Siemens (think 'GE, only richer').  We had this poster taped to one of our computers.  Some Germans came over to visit our lab, one looked at this and asked his escort to explain it.  "But that is not right!  We do not say that!" 

dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 05:01:02 PM
John, This is an amazing project...like watching construction in a museum. Very impressive.


John


Thank you for stopping by an the kind words I have been playing electrician all day. More lights and powered turnouts to show for my efforts.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 05:05:10 PM
True story:  I worked for the US research lab of the huge German conglomerate Siemens (think 'GE, only richer').  We had this poster taped to one of our computers.  Some Germans came over to visit our lab, one looked at this and asked his escort to explain it.  "But that is not right!  We do not say that!" 

dave


Great sign. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 05:17:21 PM
Test post from my iPad with a picture.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-120819204145.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 05:22:11 PM
I spoke to soon - just tried a post and got the error?

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 05:22:36 PM
Now it works again - computers???
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 07:39:37 PM
Today, I finished the third control panel for the Superior Yard. I also tested the multi-input devices by Barrett Hill. The multi-input devices allow three different touch toggle switches to control one turnout.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-130819191705.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 07:43:41 PM
In this picture you can see the new control panel for the reversing loop and Superior by pass, along with the future roundhouse and turntable. For ease of operations I want to be able to control these turnouts from three locations. The first is here at the control center for the Superior Yard.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 07:46:07 PM
The second location will be a control panel on the facia below the turntable and roundhouse.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-130819192211.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 07:48:27 PM
The third will be on the facia near the control panel for the Eagles Nest Yard.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 07:50:37 PM
Controlling the turnouts from three different locations is made possible by the little device shown in the top right hand corner of this picture.
(http://www.modelersforum.cuom/gallery/18-130819191504.jpeg)(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-130819191504.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 07:57:58 PM
Each of the three devices in the picture will control one of the turnouts.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 08:00:31 PM

Here is a picture when I toggled the middle touch switch - all three switches indicate that the turnout is in the red location.




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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 08:03:40 PM
There will be 20 feet separating the first to control panels and 60 feet between this Superior Yard control panel and the Eagles Nest Yard control panel.  I will update this topic once I have the other two control panels installed.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 08:43:24 PM
Finally for tonight, I have the parts on the workbench for the fourth control panel for the South Superior Yard. Twelve more tortoise machines to connect for your model railroading pleasure. ;) 


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on August 13, 2019, 09:26:05 PM
John,

Love how you stained the panels to match the oak cabinets!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 14, 2019, 07:51:38 AM
John,

Love how you stained the panels to match the oak cabinets!


Jerry


Thank you for the kind words and for stopping by the thread.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: DennisBourey on August 14, 2019, 10:37:13 AM
John, Very impressive , Since my accident, You and many modelers, here is Just a little sample (Tom, Karl, Steve,Jim,Reading Bob, George and Curt, And many more)are the reason so many people are staying with the hobby and joining each and every day!!!!!!!! Me for one and I'm sure theirs lots more? I almost gave it up because of life changing status in the last year........Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2019, 07:37:57 AM
Dennis


Thanks for stopping by the thread and following along with my modeling journey.  I hope you decide to stick with your modeling and that it helps you recover from that horrible accident that you and your wife are recovering from.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: DennisBourey on August 16, 2019, 07:51:48 AM
THANK YOU JOHN, FOR ALL THE KIND WORDS AND THINGS YOU DO...............Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 17, 2019, 05:44:43 PM
Update: Today, I installed tortoise machine number 30 of 58 for the layout expansion.  I also reassembled the three control panels that I have finished, after staining, and got a long ways towards finishing the fourth and fifty control panels.  I will try to post some pictures, tomorrow. I mentioned that I ordered some .06 Lexon plexiglass for the control panels to replace the .093 material about a week ago.  This was the way to go. The touch controls work much better and it is much easier to work with.  I cut it with tin snips with no problems. Don't try this with the cheaper Lexon "like" plexiglass materials. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on August 17, 2019, 06:48:48 PM
John:

All looks great. Especially love the photo with all the ore cars.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 18, 2019, 12:54:26 PM
John:

All looks great. Especially love the photo with all the ore cars.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for the kind words and stopping by this build thread. As soon as I get this expansion operational (this winter), I plan on getting all the rolling stock out that I've acquired over the years, running things up, and taking inventory. It's going to be fun to fill up a few of the tracks in Superior Yard with rolling stock.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 18, 2019, 08:22:15 PM
Update: Today, I pulled the wires for the DCC system - two 40 foot J-12 wires got me into the new area. I'm trying to get away with one more booster for the radio control system. There will be a plug in location every twelve feet along the facia. Also made the pieces for the fifth control panel and cut and installed more moldings. Tomorrow, I will get back at the tortoise machine installations and start the drops for the track power. Sorry, no pictures today, I was on a roll and didn't take time to get the camera out.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 19, 2019, 07:30:38 PM
Tonight, we have a real progress photograph, I didn't even clean up the tools. Today,  I installed the 12 tortoise machines under the South Superior Yard, and started wiring them to the control panel.  To the right you can see the three completed control panels.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Janbouli on August 19, 2019, 07:45:51 PM
Not only is your modeling great , your benchwork looks like a professional furniture maker made it , museum quality.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 19, 2019, 08:54:59 PM
Beautiful John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jimmillho on August 19, 2019, 10:02:04 PM
Awesome John.  Keep up the good work.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on August 19, 2019, 11:02:22 PM
Holy sh*t Batman can we ever get through this maze??

John you lost me after the first wire.  Your wiring expertise is amazing!!

Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: DennisBourey on August 20, 2019, 07:23:31 AM
Great job John.......Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2019, 07:46:46 AM
Not only is your modeling great , your benchwork looks like a professional furniture maker made it , museum quality.


Jan


Thank you for the kind words - I'm trying to make the railroad blend into the living space in this room.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2019, 07:47:07 AM
Beautiful John.


Thank you Curt.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2019, 07:47:37 AM
Awesome John.  Keep up the good work.

Jim


Thank you Jim.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2019, 07:51:12 AM
Holy sh*t Batman can we ever get through this maze??

John you lost me after the first wire.  Your wiring expertise is amazing!!

Jerry


Jerry


I hope the control panels make it simple to operate.  I do have some hours into them. :o  I plan on having a group over this fall/winter for a test run.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2019, 07:52:14 AM
Great job John.......Dennis


Thank you Dennis.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2019, 09:47:47 PM
Update: Well, today I finished the fourth control panel.  I decided to take another picture from the same angle as the one from yesterday.  The facia is on the front and the moldings are about 70 percent. I have all of the tortoise machines installed and running in the South Superior Yard,  the North Superior Yard, and the East Superior Yard.  I'm at 44 of the 54 turnouts for the complete Superior Yard. Ten more to go in the West Superior Yard. ;D  I will then start the drop wires and getting power to the tracks. It's getting closer. ::)  So I've had a yellow box sitting on my workbench for 3 weeks now.  Maybe another week and we can open it up and get started.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2019, 09:51:06 PM
I think I will add a molding around the hole in the wall until I can build the structure that is planned for there.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Blazeman on August 21, 2019, 07:58:05 AM
I don't know what words to use to convey how impressed I am.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on August 21, 2019, 08:21:19 AM
I think I will add a molding around the hole in the wall until I can build the structure that is planned for there.


Or design and (color) print a building flat over the opening... 


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on August 21, 2019, 03:28:22 PM
hey John:

what can I say but just beautiful.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 21, 2019, 08:34:01 PM
I don't know what words to use to convey how impressed I am.


Thank you for following along and your kind comments.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 21, 2019, 08:37:58 PM
I think I will add a molding around the hole in the wall until I can build the structure that is planned for there.


Or design and (color) print a building flat over the opening... 


dave


Dave


I will come up with something  - I have some ideas floating around.  On the hallway side of the wall there will be only one level. On the other side there will be a second level.  I'm thinking about an over the tracks tower but haven't come up with a background yet. For now I need to hide the ugly hole.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 21, 2019, 08:38:53 PM
hey John:

what can I say but just beautiful.

Karl


Thank you, buddy.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: cuse on August 22, 2019, 06:16:12 AM
Really really BIG work! Looks like a museum. Great work...sorry i won't be joining you at the NNGC. Have a great time.


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 22, 2019, 08:07:16 AM
Really really BIG work! Looks like a museum. Great work...sorry i won't be joining you at the NNGC. Have a great time.


John


Thank you for the kind words. The upper level in this area will be dual gauge.  The mines that I will be modeling were serviced by both standard and Narrow gauge lines. We are a few years away from that expansion. ;)

Sorry we will not be able to go look at some great layouts together, this year.  CA is long trip - I have my oldest daughter out there so we are making it a dual purpose trip. As always, I will take some pictures.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 23, 2019, 08:43:58 PM
Operations on the S&S RR have been halted while we move my daughter and her family.  We had a big surprise when we unloaded the first trailer load at the new house. There was a brand new Thomas the Tank layout table in my trailer for my Grandson's new bedroom. I asked him to help me unload the last few things out of the trailer so he could find it. Great fun!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on August 24, 2019, 09:00:47 AM
John,

It is so cool to see a little one's eyes light up with joy.  He'll always cherish these train memories with grandpa.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 27, 2019, 10:13:03 PM
John,

It is so cool to see a little one's eyes light up with joy.  He'll always cherish these train memories with grandpa.


Jerry


I couldn't agree more.  Absolutely, the best part of the hobby.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 31, 2019, 09:10:56 PM
Update:  I got some more wiring done and started adding the NCE throttle control lines.  I will have both wireless and hard wire capability in the new section - same as the rest of the layout. I will be adding drop lines from each section of track and adding the main bus lines over the next few weeks as time permits.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 04, 2019, 10:36:49 AM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040919103523.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 04, 2019, 10:38:56 AM
I updated the layout diagram for the Superior & Seattle Railroad to the latest track plan. 
The picture above gives an overall view of the layout. Each of the numbers in the blue boxes is a track power block. 
The different colors represent DCC power districts.
The turnouts are also numbered - the small red numbers.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 04, 2019, 10:45:18 AM
I will post some blowups of different sections of the layout diagram in the coming days,  for reference. I'm also working on a layout at a glance page.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: DennisBourey on September 04, 2019, 01:08:27 PM
John, That is incredible workmanship. Very impressed by your work..........Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 04, 2019, 10:43:18 PM
John, That is incredible workmanship. Very impressed by your work..........Dennis


Dennis


Thank you,
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 05, 2019, 07:38:48 PM
The next three pictures are the blow-up pictures of the layout diagram.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 05, 2019, 07:44:02 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050919194328.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 05, 2019, 07:45:28 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050919194059.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 10, 2019, 01:07:28 AM
I am back from the Narrow Gauge Convention - the team in Sacramento did a nice job. I had a good time, met some new model railroading friends, saw some great layouts, and attended a number of new clinics.  I came back ready to go back to work on the S&S RR. After I recover from spending a whole day in airports and airplanes I will be getting right at it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 12, 2019, 01:22:02 PM
Update: I'm back at the wiring for the new phase of the layout. I have about 8 tortoise machines to install then it will be on to the drops and track wiring. I'm excited about getting  back into the structure building, I hope to get the lid off that yellow box that has been sitting on my workbench for the past month, this weekend.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 13, 2019, 07:50:25 PM
Today, I finished the fifth control panel for the Phase IV expansion of the S&S RR.  This is a duplicate panel that is directly below the turntable and roundhouse.  The three turnouts that control access to the turnout, routing to the reversing loop or entrance into the Superior yard will be controlled from three places. The main control panel for Superior Yard, this local control panel, and a yet to be installed panel next to the main control panel for the Eagles Nest Yard.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-130919194340.jpeg)

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 13, 2019, 07:51:02 PM
Here is a picture of the sister control panel next to the main control panel for the Superior Yard.



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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 13, 2019, 07:54:26 PM
Notice the air hose for the air nailer on top of the benchwork.  As I complete the drops for the track power in an area, the facia and moldings are going on. ;D ;D  Getting close to building structures again.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 15, 2019, 10:00:45 AM
Update:  I spent most of the day, yesterday, running wires and checking voltages.  Getting ready to hook the drop wires to the main bus wires.  I'm in the final push to get this section of the layout running. ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on September 15, 2019, 01:23:52 PM
Very professional looking control panels.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 15, 2019, 09:53:08 PM
Very professional looking control panels.


Curt


Thank you for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on September 16, 2019, 08:41:26 AM
John,

Kudos for your awesome controls and beautiful oak cabinets and trim.  Wiring is my least favorite part of the hobby, better you than me planning and wiring these panels.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 16, 2019, 03:18:38 PM
John,

Kudos for your awesome controls and beautiful oak cabinets and trim.  Wiring is my least favorite part of the hobby, better you than me planning and wiring these panels.


Jerry


Thank you for the kind words.  Wiring is not my favorite part of the hobby, either.  Especially when I spend hours finding a short.  Yesterday, I had a short that I thought was in the new section that I'm wiring - but it turned out to be a passenger car on the old part of the layout. :-[
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on September 16, 2019, 03:34:53 PM
John,

It all looks just fantastic. The control yard panels are wonderful. Great stuff my friend.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 16, 2019, 07:17:59 PM
John,

It all looks just fantastic. The control yard panels are wonderful. Great stuff my friend.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 16, 2019, 07:23:23 PM
Today, was a very special day on the Superior & Seattle Railroad.  Wayne Olson returned to help me work on the layout after almost 5 months.  He is recovering from a broken hip and femur from a fall from a ladder.  I left everything in place where he was working on painting some rock work last may.  I think he got a kick out of it all being there waiting for him.  Anyway, good to have you back Wayne.  I solved a shorting problem that I was having yesterday and made some more progress on the wiring.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on September 17, 2019, 07:47:06 AM
Hey John:

Everything you do to the layout is just fantastic. I love the pictures. Sorry to hear about your friend. Hope he is feeling better.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 17, 2019, 08:55:34 AM
Hey John:

Everything you do to the layout is just fantastic. I love the pictures. Sorry to hear about your friend. Hope he is feeling better.

Karl


Karl


Thank you my friend.