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Title: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 02, 2019, 05:50:34 PM
This is the last structure for the area just south of the Big Tahope River.

My plan is to scratch build Fox Run with a kit bash twist. I'm not using any of the FSM casting but rather the ones I find in my Misc. parts box.

Reading Bob built a beautiful model of this in June 2014 for Robert Seckler.

http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=481.0 (http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=481.0)


I'm using two of Bob's photos to show what my plans are for the structure.

I'm only going to build the main building and not the extended portion or coal dock.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-020919174905.jpeg)

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-020919174915.jpeg)

More in a few.

Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 02, 2019, 06:00:11 PM
EricQuebec was looking for an unbuilt FSM Fox Run Milling. I had one and he wanted to buy it. Fair enough.

However, I got to thinking I would love to have one or two of Eric's models on the A & S RR. If I could pull this off, I would have another Master Modeler's build and fantastic modeling skills on display on the A&S RR.

I agreed to send the FSM kit to Eric in exchange for him building two small Bar Mills kits. He agreed and I sent all three kits to Eric.

He is building the BM flop house and Honest Joe's pawn.

Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: jerryrbeach on September 02, 2019, 07:01:27 PM
Tom,

I hope you don't mind if I look over your shoulder on this one. 
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: Bruce Oberleitner on September 02, 2019, 11:04:39 PM
I can't wait to see what you come up with Tom.  I'm betting it will be outstanding!

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: EricQuebec on September 03, 2019, 07:36:30 AM
Quote from: ACL1504 on September 02, 2019, 06:00:11 PM
EricQuebec was looking for an unbuilt FSM Fox Run Milling. I had one and he wanted to buy it. Fair enough.

However, I got to thinking I would love to have one or two of Eric's models on the A & S RR. If I could pull this off, I would have another Master Modeler's build and fantastic modeling skills on display on the A&S RR.

I agreed to send the FSM kit to Eric in exchange for him building two small Bar Mills kits. He agreed and I sent all three kits to Eric.

He is building the BM flop house and Honest Joe's pawn.
At thsi time, Honest joe kit is finished, I will post - with your permission -  some pictures soon, and naturally I will follow your effort on this project.
Eric
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 03, 2019, 07:59:30 AM
Quote from: jerryrbeach on September 02, 2019, 07:01:27 PM
Tom,

I hope you don't mind if I look over your shoulder on this one.


Jerry,

I don't mind at all, happy to have you follow along.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 03, 2019, 08:00:22 AM
Quote from: Bruce Oberleitner on September 02, 2019, 11:04:39 PM
I can't wait to see what you come up with Tom.  I'm betting it will be outstanding!

;D ;D ;D


Bruce,

Oh no, the pressure is on now.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 03, 2019, 08:02:35 AM
Quote from: EricQuebec on September 03, 2019, 07:36:30 AM

At thsi time, Honest joe kit is finished, I will post - with your permission -  some pictures soon, and naturally I will follow your effort on this project.
Eric


Eric,

Happy to have you along. And, yes, you may post here anything you have or want to share.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ReadingBob on September 03, 2019, 09:16:06 AM
I can't wait to see what you come up with on this one Tom.  That was a fun one to build (haven't found an FSM kit that wasn't).  I also can't wait to see what Eric does with you're two Bar Mills kits.   :D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: GPdemayo on September 03, 2019, 10:04:40 AM
I'll be looking in too Tom..... :)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 03, 2019, 11:37:17 AM
Quote from: ReadingBob on September 03, 2019, 09:16:06 AM
I can't wait to see what you come up with on this one Tom.  That was a fun one to build (haven't found an FSM kit that wasn't).  I also can't wait to see what Eric does with you're two Bar Mills kits.   :D


Bob,

This will be a fun build and I've already changed my mind on a couple of walls. More on that later. Whatever Eric does will be fine by me.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 03, 2019, 11:37:51 AM
Quote from: GPdemayo on September 03, 2019, 10:04:40 AM
I'll be looking in too Tom..... :)


Greg,

Thanks and welcome aboard.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 03, 2019, 11:48:58 AM
Dang, there seems to be a lot of planning necessary to scratch build a structure. I feel like I've been on this kit for two weeks already.

Prior to sending Eric Fox Run, I copied the walls in word on a 1:1 copy. I then printed the pages and cut out the walls. I marked the walls on the rear of Northeastern Lumber siding. I marked where George had his windows and doors.

As mentioned earlier, I have no FSM door or window casting. I'll use what plastic windows and doors I have on hand. I'll place them close to where they are on the FSM kit.

I neglected to take photos of any of the above mentioned steps but I do have some still marked on the back of the lumber. More on this later.

I started with this -

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-030919111918.jpeg)

And ended up with this, the main walls of the build.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-030919111931.jpeg)

More in a few.

Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 03, 2019, 11:51:32 AM
I marked and then cut out a portion of the upper most window on the main wall.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-030919111944.jpeg)

I rounded the top for a proper fit.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-030919111958.jpeg)

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 03, 2019, 11:55:30 AM
This is Tichy window #8047.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-030919112010.jpeg)

I then began to cut out other window and doors. In the next photo you can see where the original openings are located, marked in red.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-030919112027.jpeg)

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 03, 2019, 12:05:01 PM
So far, I'm using Tichy, Northeastern and Grandt Line windows and doors. Like I said, whatever I have on hand.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-030919112039.jpeg)

In the next photo, you can see where the two freight doors are located. I moved the line up to the height of the small window on the right. On George's kit, this wall faces a roadway. My building will back up to the spur track going into Tahope. So, no freight doors on this side.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-030919112105.jpeg)

More in a few.


Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: madharry on September 03, 2019, 12:07:02 PM
Looking good Tom. I will enjoy your build.
Mike
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 03, 2019, 12:09:37 PM
I centered three windows where the freight doors were located and cut out the openings.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-030919113421.jpeg)

The two windows in the middle are Tichy #8028 and the three lower windows are #8024. Looks like the red arrow is in the wrong place but the windows were cut correctly.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-030919113433.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 03, 2019, 12:10:31 PM
Quote from: madharry on September 03, 2019, 12:07:02 PM
Looking good Tom. I will enjoy your build.
Mike


Mike,

Thank you and happy to have you following along.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 03, 2019, 12:52:31 PM
I forgot to show where this will be located - between the highway and the spur track.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-030919125120.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: PRR Modeler on September 03, 2019, 02:04:21 PM
Following.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: jimmillho on September 03, 2019, 02:41:45 PM
I will be watching this also.

Jim
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: Mark Dalrymple on September 03, 2019, 02:58:04 PM
Nice, Tom.

I'm watching your progress on this one.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: S&S RR on September 03, 2019, 05:16:31 PM
Tom


I will be following along.  Fox Run is the next build on my list "from the kit" - I will be getting started when I get back from the Narrow Gauge Convention.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: Dennis Bourey on September 03, 2019, 07:46:34 PM
Can't wait either...........Dennis
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: postalkarl on September 04, 2019, 04:31:19 PM
Hey Tom:

Looks great so far.

Karl
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: Raymo on September 04, 2019, 05:10:03 PM
Sitting here with the group watching this one go together.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 04, 2019, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: PRR Modeler on September 03, 2019, 02:04:21 PM
Following.


Curt,

Thank you.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 04, 2019, 06:14:19 PM
Quote from: jimmillho on September 03, 2019, 02:41:45 PM
I will be watching this also.

Jim


Jimmillho,

Happy to have you on board.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 04, 2019, 06:15:57 PM
Quote from: mark dalrymple on September 03, 2019, 02:58:04 PM
Nice, Tom.

I'm watching your progress on this one.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark,

Thanks for joining in. I've already changed the original plan  8)  More on that later.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 04, 2019, 06:19:39 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on September 03, 2019, 05:16:31 PM
Tom


I will be following along.  Fox Run is the next build on my list "from the kit" - I will be getting started when I get back from the Narrow Gauge Convention.


John,

Thanks, I saw in person the one Reading Bob did for Seckler. Beautiful. But I don't have the space for that size and I can't remember ever seeing any coal docks in Central Florida. I never met an FSM kit I didn't like and through the years I grew out of the need to have them all, needed or not.

Tom   ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 04, 2019, 06:20:38 PM
Quote from: DennisBourey on September 03, 2019, 07:46:34 PM
Can't wait either...........Dennis

Dennis,

I'm with you, I can't wait to finish it and get it planted.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 04, 2019, 06:21:33 PM
Quote from: postalkarl on September 04, 2019, 04:31:19 PM
Hey Tom:

Looks great so far.

Karl


Karl,


Thanks buddy, much appreciated.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 04, 2019, 06:22:58 PM
Quote from: Raymo on September 04, 2019, 05:10:03 PM
Sitting here with the group watching this one go together.

Dan,

Thanks, I hope you found a good seat on the fence.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 04, 2019, 06:36:46 PM
The end wall, the one facing the overhang on the full size kit, didn't have much detail. Since this wall will be seen, I added four windows.

To make sure I got them in the correct position (centered), I placed one window on the rear of the wall. I marked the location and then divided the wall into four windows. I marked the center of the wall in pencil and then marked the center line left and right of the center center line.

I then marked the window locations and drew horizontal lines above and below the window location.

When satisfied, I remeasured and marked in red the cut lines as shown in the photo below.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-030919112116.jpeg)

All door and window opening are now cut.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-030919112139.jpeg)

More in a few.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 04, 2019, 06:50:12 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-030919112151.jpeg)


Here are several views of where the building will be located. Some photos were taken with the LED overheads on and some weren't.

I wanted to see it both ways.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-040919184606.jpeg)

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 04, 2019, 06:51:11 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-040919184637.jpeg)


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-040919184711.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 04, 2019, 06:51:47 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-040919184616.jpeg)


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-040919184626.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 04, 2019, 06:52:20 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-040919184647.jpeg)


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-040919184659.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 04, 2019, 06:52:36 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-040919184722.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: dick green on September 04, 2019, 11:58:02 PM
Treat build tom. I'm already picking up some great tips I'll have to reread the one about the window placement, not sure I really get it yet but I'll read it again.

Dick
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: NKP768 on September 05, 2019, 08:37:30 AM
Looking good Tom -

Doug
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 05, 2019, 10:27:59 AM
Quote from: dick green on September 04, 2019, 11:58:02 PM
Treat build tom. I'm already picking up some great tips I'll have to reread the one about the window placement, not sure I really get it yet but I'll read it again.

Dick


Dick,

Thank you, appreciate you following along. I guess I blew through the narrative on cutting windows. I've done a little more work, with paper,  and I'll go over it in more detail in a later this morning.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 05, 2019, 10:28:39 AM
Quote from: NKP768 on September 05, 2019, 08:37:30 AM
Looking good Tom -

Doug


Doug,

Thank you, much appreciate you following as well.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 05, 2019, 11:01:56 AM
I'll go into a little more detail on how I center and then cut in windows on a scratch build.

I'm using a piece of copy paper so I don't waste any wall material.

Here I've cut a piece of paper the same size as the wall section.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105051.jpeg)

I place windows or doors on the wood to determine where I want them located. In this case I want four windows, two on the bottom and two on top. I also want them centered.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105102.jpeg)

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 05, 2019, 11:04:35 AM
This section of wall is a scale 22 feet wide.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105111.jpeg)

I'll find the center line at 11 scale feet and mark it.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105122.jpeg)

More in a few. I think I'm going to need some Diet Pepsi.  8)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 05, 2019, 11:09:36 AM
I want the four windows centered on the left and right of the centerline.

I'll then mark the left and right center lines. These will be 5.5 scale feet from the edges and center line. Draw these lines.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105136.jpeg)

I'll place the four windows back on the wood, er paper, to make another test location.  At this point, I'm satisfied with the locations.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105152.jpeg)

More in a few.


Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 05, 2019, 11:27:10 AM
So far my paper matches the original wall section.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105203.jpeg)

Once you determine the height you want your windows, place the plastic window on the paper. I make sure I center the window over the vertical line I previously drew.

I then mark the bottom and top of the window. Use the rear frame of the window to make the marks, not the front.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105212.jpeg)

More in a few.

Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 05, 2019, 11:30:03 AM
Once the bottom two windows are marked, I measure up (whatever distance determined) and then mark the location of the upper two windows.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105224.jpeg)

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105234.jpeg)

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 05, 2019, 11:33:05 AM
I then place the window on the paper and mark the edges using a sharp pencil.

Again, remember to mark the window with the edge of the rear window frame.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105254.jpeg)

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105244.jpeg)

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 05, 2019, 11:37:51 AM
You can see the four windows are marked and centered on the left and right vertical lines.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105307.jpeg)

Using the short horizontal lines from marking the window locations, I then used a metal ruler and drew the upper and lower horizontal lines. Windows were placed on the paper for another test look.

They look centered and where I want them.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105317.jpeg)

More in a few.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 05, 2019, 11:44:48 AM
I then mark the outer edges of the four windows. These are the four short vertical lines on paper as shown below.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105326.jpeg)

Again, using the metal ruler, draw the vertical lines for the four windows.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105335.jpeg)

Now I have the pencil lines centered for all four windows. These are centered vertically and not horizontally. You can see the lower windows are further up the wall than the windows from the top. However, if you wanted to center all the windows, use the same method for centering them vertically.

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 05, 2019, 11:48:00 AM
There are many lines on the paper and can be confusing when you start to cut out the openings.

I use a red leaded pencil to mark the cut lines for the windows.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105345.jpeg)

Using the red lines, I cut the openings as shown below.

I hope this helps clear up any confusion in my previous narrative.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-050919105355.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: PRR Modeler on September 05, 2019, 01:46:24 PM
Great how to Tom.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: MAP on September 06, 2019, 06:31:48 AM
Been following along Tom.  Looking great!  Thanks again for all of the pics & narrative on how you do it.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 06, 2019, 11:25:32 AM
Quote from: PRR Modeler on September 05, 2019, 01:46:24 PM
Great how to Tom.


Curt,

Thank you.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 06, 2019, 11:27:03 AM
Quote from: MAP on September 06, 2019, 06:31:48 AM
Been following along Tom.  Looking great!  Thanks again for all of the pics & narrative on how you do it.


Mark,

Thank you for following along and for the compliment. You are very welcome and I enjoy sharing some of my techniques.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 06, 2019, 04:40:00 PM
After cutting the openings, I realized the height of the freight door is for a freight car.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-060919112816.jpeg)

I had to change this as it won't be a trackside structure.

I'll lower the freight door height by 1ft. 10.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-060919112827.jpeg)

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 06, 2019, 04:46:37 PM
The tall door will also have to be lowered.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-060919112827.jpeg)

The freight door will be enlarged to the size of the large Tichy bay door.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-060919112937.jpeg)

When cutting door and window openings, I usually keep the "Plug" from that opening until the walls are glued together. In the photo above, notice the large door opening cut out portion is in place.

More in a few.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 06, 2019, 04:52:18 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-060919112910.jpeg)


The large freight door and tall door have now been installed. The top of the tall door wall section needs to be filled in.

I removed the top portion of the original plug and glued it above the door. You can still see the cut lines. These will not be seen when the door overhang is installed.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-060919113023.jpeg)

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 06, 2019, 04:56:47 PM
One of the things I've been doing on my scratch builds is to keep a blank/plug for a door or window I cut out. It's a lot easier to trace these on the backs of walls as opposed to tracing around a small plastic window.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-060919112923.jpeg)

Since I needed to remove the top portion of the large door blank, I made another one to replace it.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-060919113012.jpeg)

Next up is the bracing and painting.

Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: Mark Dalrymple on September 06, 2019, 06:55:19 PM
Nice kit to be scratch-building, Tom.  I always thought a river to the left where the land drops down (in the original) would look good.

How does the changing of the doors impact on the other openings in the other walls?  You haven't just dropped the doors, you have lowered the floor by nearly two feet.  How does a 5'10" LBP look standing on the new height of the floor looking out that window?  I've been thinking about this as you have been discussing centralizing the windows as they would be if central in four identical sized rooms - what about the vertical heights?  This, to me, is always so much more difficult to work out.  How high above the ground is the floor?  How high are the ceilings?  Does every floor have the same height ceiling or are they different?  What is the thickness between the floors?  Does the top floor have pitched rafters or does it have trusses?  And then there is the question of window and door sizes and the correct height they should all be above floor level (which also varies greatly depending on the use of the internal room).  I'm not after answers here - I can work it out - but then I've done a lot of building in my life.  I think it is, however, a bit of a mystery to many.  Does anyone know of a good source of information on such details?

As always, enjoying your modelling!

Cheers, Mark.

Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 09, 2019, 05:06:26 PM
Quote from: mark dalrymple on September 06, 2019, 06:55:19 PM
Nice kit to be scratch-building, Tom.  I always thought a river to the left where the land drops down (in the original) would look good.

How does the changing of the doors impact on the other openings in the other walls?  You haven't just dropped the doors, you have lowered the floor by nearly two feet.  How does a 5'10" LBP look standing on the new height of the floor looking out that window?  I've been thinking about this as you have been discussing centralizing the windows as they would be if central in four identical sized rooms - what about the vertical heights?  This, to me, is always so much more difficult to work out.  How high above the ground is the floor?  How high are the ceilings?  Does every floor have the same height ceiling or are they different?  What is the thickness between the floors?  Does the top floor have pitched rafters or does it have trusses?  And then there is the question of window and door sizes and the correct height they should all be above floor level (which also varies greatly depending on the use of the internal room).  I'm not after answers here - I can work it out - but then I've done a lot of building in my life.  I think it is, however, a bit of a mystery to many.  Does anyone know of a good source of information on such details?

As always, enjoying your modelling!

Cheers, Mark.


Mark,

Great question and observation.

Lowering the floors was a consideration prior to doing so. It doesn't affect the rest of the windows to the point of noticing. The windows on all four walls are the same height from the bottom.

My career as a LEO gave me the opportunity to be in many old building, warehousing and some old local factories long since abandoned. One thing I remember was the floor height varied as much as each building. However, each building had pretty much the same window height from the ground on all four walls for that particular structure.




The figure in the photos below is a scale 6' tall.

As always, thank you for following along.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-090919164458.jpeg)


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-090919164511.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 09, 2019, 05:11:15 PM
The bracing on one of the walls interfered with the view of the opening.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-070919074336.jpeg)

No problem, I used a #17 blade to cut the top and bottom and then made a vertical cut to remove the offending brace.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-070919074351.jpeg)

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 09, 2019, 05:11:54 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-070919074404.jpeg)


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-070919074416.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: Jerry on September 09, 2019, 05:14:48 PM
Tom that's a really nice start.  I'll be following along.


Jerry


Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 09, 2019, 05:17:37 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-070919074428.jpeg)


I've done so many builds that I often don't think of some tricks I use are common to the hobby.

When bracing walls, glue often oozes out. If left to dry, this could interfere with the squareness of the walls when gluing them at the 90 degree angle.

I take a scale piece of lumber, in this case a 10X10 and cut one end at an angle. The angle should give you a fairly sharp point.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-070919074441.jpeg)

More in a few.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 09, 2019, 05:18:21 PM
Quote from: Jerry on September 09, 2019, 05:14:48 PM
Tom that's a really nice start.  I'll be following along.


Jerry


Jerry,

Thank you, always happy to have you along on my adventures.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 09, 2019, 05:22:03 PM
As the glue is setting, I run the 10X10 along the glue line and remove any excess glue oozing out.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-070919074531.jpeg)


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-070919074507.jpeg)

Once the glue is dry, it's not impossible to remove, but it is difficult.

More in a few.

Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 09, 2019, 05:24:10 PM
To keep the glue removal stick clean, I just cut off a section above the removed glue.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-070919074607.jpeg)

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-070919074454.jpeg)

More in a few.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 09, 2019, 05:28:15 PM
Here's another trick I use for perfect fitting walls.

On the walls where the bracing is flush with a wall section, there may be some excess glue there as well.

I take the wall section and some 160 grit sandpaper, and gently sand the wall/brace edge using a back and forth motion.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-070919074623.jpeg)

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-070919074637.jpeg)

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 09, 2019, 05:30:06 PM
In the photo below you can see the difference the sanding makes.

The sanded wall section is on the top. You can see the dried glue residue on the wall section on the bottom.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-070919074650.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 09, 2019, 05:35:44 PM
All wall bracing is now complete.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-090919173424.jpeg)

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-090919173434.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: jerryrbeach on September 09, 2019, 06:00:05 PM
Tom,

As usual, I love your build threads.  I always pick up a tip or two by following along.  I have always used an emery board to remove any excess glue that squeezed out from wall bracing.  Not sure why I never thought to use a large sheet of sandpaper, that definitely looks easier.  From now on...

I thought I'd add my two cents to Mark's comments about floor levels.  I have been inside a great many older commercial and industrial buildings in the northeast.  A great many have raised wood floors (dock level), something that is pretty apparent in the building in this thread.  After the first floor, lots of factors play into the height of higher floors, especially in a wood frame structure.  What I am trying to say is that even though you did not explain why you chose the window heights, when I looked at the locations it was apparent to me they made perfect sense height-wise.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ReadingBob on September 10, 2019, 07:07:21 AM
This build is coming along great!  Well documented too.   :)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 10, 2019, 05:23:17 PM
Quote from: jerryrbeach on September 09, 2019, 06:00:05 PM
Tom,

As usual, I love your build threads.  I always pick up a tip or two by following along.  I have always used an emery board to remove any excess glue that squeezed out from wall bracing.  Not sure why I never thought to use a large sheet of sandpaper, that definitely looks easier.  From now on...

I thought I'd add my two cents to Mark's comments about floor levels.  I have been inside a great many older commercial and industrial buildings in the northeast.  A great many have raised wood floors (dock level), something that is pretty apparent in the building in this thread.  After the first floor, lots of factors play into the height of higher floors, especially in a wood frame structure.  What I am trying to say is that even though you did not explain why you chose the window heights, when I looked at the locations it was apparent to me they made perfect sense height-wise.


Jerry,

Thank you for the kind compliment. I've used the Emery board in the past but several years ago I started using a small sheet of 160 grit sandpaper. It's much easier to sand using it than trying to hold down an Emery board.

As you can see I have the second floor windows lower to the floor than the first floor windows. I did this so the second floor door fit better with the floor plan.

Thanks for checking in.

Tom  ;D

Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 10, 2019, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: ReadingBob on September 10, 2019, 07:07:21 AM
This build is coming along great!  Well documented too.   :)


Bob,

Thank you, much appreciate the kind words.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 10, 2019, 05:46:10 PM
Although I have several dozen paint brushes, I've found over the years I tend to use only these seven brushes.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-100919174004.jpeg)

I chose to color the walls with Floquil Earth. I dipped the larger brush into the paint and then into a jar of fresh/clean thinner and spread it on the walls. While the paint was still damp, I added a few brush strokes of clean thinner over random areas.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-100919174017.jpeg)

The walls will get a light coat of Hunterline Light gray when the paint is cured.

More in a few.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 10, 2019, 05:51:33 PM
I decided on Reefer White for the doors and windows. I'll also use the white on the stairs.

I used Polly Scale Reefer White and painted the doors and windows. I wasn't particular about the coverage as I wanted some of the gray to show through. When the white was dry, I dipped the doors and windows into Hunterline Light Gray and set aside to dry. I then dipped them again this time in Hunterline Medium Brown.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-100919174029.jpeg)

I'll add Canopy Glue for the window glass.

Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 10, 2019, 05:55:30 PM
The two larger windows in the next photo are left over from another build. I did my best to match the color with the smaller window.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-100919174041.jpeg)

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-100919174053.jpeg)

I still need to added A&I light gray to the walls prior to assembly.

Notice anything missing?
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: PaulS on September 10, 2019, 07:14:51 PM
looks very nice so far Tom, as usual.   As far as what is missing.....   I'll take nail holes for $200 ...
Keep up the good work and looking forward to seeing this come together   
--Paul
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: dick green on September 10, 2019, 11:52:16 PM
Tom
Super job on the windows. What's the difference between Hunterline and A&I?
Dcik
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 11, 2019, 11:20:14 AM
Quote from: PaulS on September 10, 2019, 07:14:51 PM
looks very nice so far Tom, as usual.   As far as what is missing.....   I'll take nail holes for $200 ...
Keep up the good work and looking forward to seeing this come together   
--Paul


Paul,

Good to see you and thank you very much. And yes, nail holes. You are the winner. I haven't decided if I want to do them or not. They make the structure look better but they are definitely not prototypical.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 11, 2019, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: dick green on September 10, 2019, 11:52:16 PM
Tom
Super job on the windows. What's the difference between Hunterline and A&I?
Dcik


Dick,

Thank you, appreciate the support.

There is no difference in the A&I and Hunterline. I keep mentioning Hunterline as they are great to work with and order from and they are forum supporters.  They also attended the Expos when we had them.

Huterline has a huge selection of different colored A&I's.

https://hunterline.com/t/weathering-mix (https://hunterline.com/t/weathering-mix)


Hope this helps.


Tom   ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: dick green on September 11, 2019, 10:35:13 PM
Tom

I never thanked you for explaining your window layout procedure. I used it tonight and my windows are exactly where I wanted them.

Thanks again

Dick
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: Opa George on September 12, 2019, 05:28:07 AM
Tom, excellent build so far with very complete commentary.  I am enjoying following along and of course absorbing all of your useful tips.
--George
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 12, 2019, 04:32:02 PM
Quote from: dick green on September 11, 2019, 10:35:13 PM
Tom

I never thanked you for explaining your window layout procedure. I used it tonight and my windows are exactly where I wanted them.

Thanks again

Dick


Dick,

Great, you are very welcome. I'm very pleased to see my tips are being used.

Thanks for letting me know.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 12, 2019, 04:34:03 PM
Quote from: Opa George on September 12, 2019, 05:28:07 AM
Tom, excellent build so far with very complete commentary.  I am enjoying following along and of course absorbing all of your useful tips.
--George


George,

Thank you as well, much appreciate the feedback.  Glad to have you following.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 12, 2019, 04:39:10 PM
I started adding the corner trim to the building. Here is how I get a perfect fit for the sub roof corner trim.

In the photo below, I want to add corner trim to the short section of wall as shown. The angle where the pencil is pointing is where I want a tight corner trim fit. This tip is good if you don't have a manufacturer's template for cutting the trim.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-120919162805.jpeg)

Actually, it is the same angle as the lower corner trim on the same wall. Refer to the photo below.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-120919162817.jpeg)

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 12, 2019, 04:48:06 PM
Turn the wall over and cut a piece of corner trim at the same angle as the one inplace. I moved the new cut corner trim just a bit to show the cut.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-120919162829.jpeg)

The new cut piece is turned opposite as the lower trim piece. I glued it in place as shown. As you can see it's a nice tight fit.

When the corner trim piece is good and dry, trim the top to the gabled angle.

Can't get a better fit than this.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-120919162842.jpeg)


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-120919162855.jpeg)

More in a few.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 12, 2019, 04:50:25 PM
I then glued the building together in halves.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-120919162909.jpeg)

I also glued sub assemblies together as shown below.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-120919162925.jpeg)

More in a few.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 12, 2019, 04:55:28 PM
The main building was glued together. Clamps were used to make sure it was square and stayed square as the glue dries.

When the glue dries, the moisture evaporates and the glue has a tendency to pulled walls out of square, even just al little. This is why I always use clamps to hold the walls square until the glue is completely dry.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-120919162950.jpeg)

I also use squares to ensure the four corners are set prior finalizing the clamps.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-120919163002.jpeg)

Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: MAP on September 12, 2019, 06:23:23 PM
Looking good Tom!  Another great tip on kit construction.  In a previous post I saw that you cut a piece of timber to use for glue removal.  I use a #17 chisel blade to do the same thing.  Really helps to get that overflow of glue out of the way. 
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: Oldguy on September 12, 2019, 10:37:01 PM
Remember that day in high school geometry class when you thought - "when would I ever need to use this stuff."  Well, that day is here.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: deemery on September 13, 2019, 10:28:23 AM
Quote from: Oldguy on September 12, 2019, 10:37:01 PM
Remember that day in high school geometry class when you thought - "when would I ever need to use this stuff."  Well, that day is here.


My brother was a pro carpenter.  He used to amaze his co-workers by using trig to figure out the length and angles for boards, etc.  (The common approach was 'trial and error'.)


dave
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: Opa George on September 13, 2019, 11:10:56 AM
Quote from: deemery on September 13, 2019, 10:28:23 AM
Quote from: Oldguy on September 12, 2019, 10:37:01 PM
Remember that day in high school geometry class when you thought - "when would I ever need to use this stuff."  Well, that day is here.

My brother was a pro carpenter.  He used to amaze his co-workers by using trig to figure out the length and angles for boards, etc.  (The common approach was 'trial and error'.)

dave

Aha, that explains it. The trial & error crew must have been the ones who built my house long ago. Not a square joint in the place.
--George
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: S&S RR on September 14, 2019, 09:51:02 PM
Tom


Very fine work my friend.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: jerryrbeach on September 16, 2019, 08:45:29 AM
Tom,

As usual, coming along nicely with your ever present clear explanations throughout the build.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 16, 2019, 03:52:06 PM
Quote from: MAP on September 12, 2019, 06:23:23 PM
Looking good Tom!  Another great tip on kit construction.  In a previous post I saw that you cut a piece of timber to use for glue removal.  I use a #17 chisel blade to do the same thing.  Really helps to get that overflow of glue out of the way.


Mark,

Thanks very much. I have used #17 blades in the past but I kept getting them caught on the bracing.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 16, 2019, 03:53:53 PM
Quote from: Oldguy on September 12, 2019, 10:37:01 PM
Remember that day in high school geometry class when you thought - "when would I ever need to use this stuff."  Well, that day is here.


Bob,


Yes, I remember making that comment several times on most of the high school classes. I only took math classes in JUCO but none at UF.


Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 16, 2019, 04:00:24 PM
Quote from: deemery on September 13, 2019, 10:28:23 AM
Quote from: Oldguy on September 12, 2019, 10:37:01 PM
Remember that day in high school geometry class when you thought - "when would I ever need to use this stuff."  Well, that day is here.


My brother was a pro carpenter.  He used to amaze his co-workers by using trig to figure out the length and angles for boards, etc.  (The common approach was 'trial and error'.)


dave


Dave,

As a young boy, I would watch the carpenters who worked of my father's construction company. Some of the cuts amazed me. I remember when one of them told me about the Fibonacci spiral. Amazing.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 16, 2019, 04:02:50 PM
Quote from: Opa George on September 13, 2019, 11:10:56 AM
Quote from: deemery on September 13, 2019, 10:28:23 AM
Quote from: Oldguy on September 12, 2019, 10:37:01 PM
Remember that day in high school geometry class when you thought - "when would I ever need to use this stuff."  Well, that day is here.

My brother was a pro carpenter.  He used to amaze his co-workers by using trig to figure out the length and angles for boards, etc.  (The common approach was 'trial and error'.)

dave

Aha, that explains it. The trial & error crew must have been the ones who built my house long ago. Not a square joint in the place.
--George


George,

I think the "trail and error" method is still used for most, if not all, new house construction  today.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 16, 2019, 04:03:45 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on September 14, 2019, 09:51:02 PM
Tom


Very fine work my friend.


John,

Thank you very much my friend, much appreciate you stopping by.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 16, 2019, 04:09:21 PM
Quote from: jerryrbeach on September 16, 2019, 08:45:29 AM
Tom,

As usual, coming along nicely with your ever present clear explanations throughout the build.


Jerry,

Thank you for the kind compliment. I took a Creative Writing class while at UF, the prof. said, "If at all possible, write as clear and unambiguous as possible." Then he said, "Then on the other hand, it's mostly not possible."  We all had that deer in the headlights look.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 16, 2019, 04:13:26 PM
The four main walls are now glued together. I plan on having some interior lighting so I added a floor to keep the first and second floors from looking like one big light. I'll add some interior walls out of cardboard later.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-160919152622.jpeg)

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 16, 2019, 04:18:24 PM
I cut the lower roof deck from a piece of stock cardboard. I decided to have this roof removable. I marked on the bottom where I wanted bracing.

This also gives me the location of the exterior rafters and rafter tails location.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-160919152635.jpeg)

I cut some 10X10s for bracing and glued them in place.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-160919152646.jpeg)

This roof now fits snug on the building.

More in a few.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 16, 2019, 04:24:14 PM
After doing all the measuring, fitting and gluing, I realized this roof will have a dormer so it WILL NOT be removable.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-160919152700.jpeg)

Well, the roof fits nice anyway. DOH!

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-160919152715.jpeg)



Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: PRR Modeler on September 16, 2019, 06:54:39 PM
Wow, impressive scratch build Tom.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: jimmillho on September 16, 2019, 07:09:22 PM
Looking good Tom.  Another fine example of your Craftsmanship.

Jim
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: dick green on September 16, 2019, 11:28:28 PM
Tom

Great modeling, great tutorials. When I grow up I want to be like you ;D

Dick
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: postalkarl on September 17, 2019, 07:36:34 AM
Hey Tom:

this is coming along very nicely. I can't wait for some more progress.

Karl
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 03:29:04 PM
Quote from: PRR Modeler on September 16, 2019, 06:54:39 PM
Wow, impressive scratch build Tom.


Curt,

Thank you.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 03:29:51 PM
Quote from: jimmillho on September 16, 2019, 07:09:22 PM
Looking good Tom.  Another fine example of your Craftsmanship.

Jim


Butty Jim,

Thanks very much for the kind compliment.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 03:34:25 PM
Quote from: dick green on September 16, 2019, 11:28:28 PM
Tom

Great modeling, great tutorials. When I grow up I want to be like you ;D

Dick


Dick,

The compliment is very much appreciated, thank you. Just the other day my Babe said, "When are you going to grow up" or it could have been "Are you ever going to grow up"?  :-X

My answer, "Never". 8) 8)


I hear but I don't always listen.  :-\


Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 03:35:27 PM
Quote from: postalkarl on September 17, 2019, 07:36:34 AM
Hey Tom:

this is coming along very nicely. I can't wait for some more progress.

Karl


Karl,

Thank you also, more progress is on the way.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 03:53:30 PM
I added two 12 x 12s to the top side of the main gabled roof. I turned it on the side and placed a weight on it to dry overnight. The weight keeps the walls flat while drying as opposed to a mini-clamp.

I've had a building or two, where the gable dried at a slight angle from the weight of the clamp hanging off to the side.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-160919152731.jpeg)

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 03:56:23 PM
I then painted some 6X6s Aged Concrete and glued them to the bottom of the building and sub assemblies. This gives me a base to get the scenery next to the structure without gluing the scenery to the bottom of the walls.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919153610.jpeg)

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919153625.jpeg)

More in a few.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 04:29:30 PM
I then cut a rear gabled end for the dormer. I used the dormer and traced the front on a spare piece of siding.



(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919153639.jpeg)

The rear piece is to wide to fit in the rear. I needed to trim the sides to fit between the walls. I used a spare piece of siding and drew a line on each side of the end piece. I cut the extra siding off using the pencil line as a guide.

The end piece was glued in place.

More in a few.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919162648.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 04:30:08 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154723.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 04:35:26 PM
I then moved to the roof for the dormer and main roof section. I had no idea how to cut this so I used the "tried and true" method of "trial and error".

I cut the roof panel back flush to the wall.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154227.jpeg)

Cut and fit, cut and fit and cut and fit. No this doesn't work.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154411.jpeg)

Continued in a few.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 04:41:03 PM
Well, I forgot about measure twice and cut once. I then spent about 40 minutes looking and studying on it.

I then cut a new roof panel and started over. I drew lines on the new roof panel using the dormer roof panel as a guide.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154306.jpeg)

I then cut the main roof panel along the lines and made another test fit.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154321.jpeg)

Continued -

Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 04:45:28 PM
Not perfect but it is in the bubble lines. Not bad for a second try and I got lucky. Murphy has nothing on me this time.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154334.jpeg)

After taking the photo, I realized the dromer slid down a bit from the fifth wall.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154435.jpeg)

Yepper, more in a few.

Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 04:46:46 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154449.jpeg)


Adding sub assemblies -

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154501.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 04:47:38 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154514.jpeg)


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154526.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 04:48:16 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154538.jpeg)


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154552.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 04:51:52 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154607.jpeg)


I then added a dry brushing of A&I Light Gray to the walls.

I dipped a 1/2" soft brush into the A&I, dabbed it on a napkin and then quickly dry brushed the light gray on the walls. I used horizontal strokes for the brushing.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154621.jpeg)

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 04:52:46 PM
Here is how it looks now.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154634.jpeg)

Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 04:54:36 PM
I used a pencil to mark the location of the small office.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154646.jpeg)

Glued some cardboard to the rear of the window openings.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154658.jpeg)

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 17, 2019, 04:56:13 PM
Painted the area with Tamiya Flat Black.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-170919154711.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: Raymo on September 17, 2019, 07:20:00 PM
Tom, this is looking great. I see more and more of us gravitating to the Tamiya paint. I use to use it more in my model car building days 30 years ago. I might need to build up my stock again.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: Bruce Oberleitner on September 18, 2019, 12:11:04 AM
Uncle Tommie,
Mighty fine work on your scratch building efforts my friend.  Keep up the good work.

BTW, say "Hi" to the Judge for me.

;D ;D :o

Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: postalkarl on September 18, 2019, 05:39:56 PM
Hey Tom:

It's coming along just great. Sent you A PM today.

Karl
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: fsmcollector67 on September 19, 2019, 02:20:38 PM
Tom,
Very nice build so far...

Loren...
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 19, 2019, 05:19:23 PM
Quote from: Raymo on September 17, 2019, 07:20:00 PM
Tom, this is looking great. I see more and more of us gravitating to the Tamiya paint. I use to use it more in my model car building days 30 years ago. I might need to build up my stock again.


Dan,

Thank you, much appreciate you stopping by for a comment. I really like the Tamiya paints. However, I've only used them on wood building but plan on trying them on some Sylvan's in the new year.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 19, 2019, 05:20:26 PM
Quote from: Bruce Oberleitner on September 18, 2019, 12:11:04 AM
Uncle Tommie,
Mighty fine work on your scratch building efforts my friend.  Keep up the good work.

BTW, say "Hi" to the Judge for me.

;D ;D :o


Cousin Brucie,

Thank you my friend. I'll pass on the message.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 19, 2019, 05:21:39 PM
Quote from: postalkarl on September 18, 2019, 05:39:56 PM
Hey Tom:

It's coming along just great. Sent you A PM today.

Karl


Karl,

Thank you kind sir. Got the PM and sorry I couldn't help.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 19, 2019, 05:23:01 PM
Quote from: fsmcollector67 on September 19, 2019, 02:20:38 PM
Tom,
Very nice build so far...

Loren...

Loren,

Thank you as well. I appreciate you taking the time to look in on the build.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 19, 2019, 05:29:02 PM
I got a little side tracked on this build and have been working on the layout.

I did add the exterior trim along the underside of the roof edges.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-190919171555.jpeg)

I also cut the cupola for the top of the structure. I'll show how it looks but I'm not sure I'm going to use it. It is more for a northeastern building. I can't remember seeing one like this in the south.

What do ya'll think?

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-190919171609.jpeg)

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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 19, 2019, 05:29:40 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-190919171621.jpeg)


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/24-190919171633.jpeg)
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 19, 2019, 05:30:02 PM
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Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: PRR Modeler on September 19, 2019, 09:06:14 PM
I think it looks better without it Tom.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: Mark Dalrymple on September 19, 2019, 09:33:26 PM
I agree.  I think somehow it makes the model look toy like.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: Janbouli on September 20, 2019, 03:18:07 AM
I'm with Curt and Mark, like it better without , looks way oversized to me also.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: jerryrbeach on September 20, 2019, 06:25:44 AM
I vote for no cupola.  IMO it makes the building look less substantial.  FWIW, not sure a smaller cupola is going to be any better.
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 20, 2019, 10:48:10 AM
Quote from: PRR Modeler on September 19, 2019, 09:06:14 PM
I think it looks better without it Tom.


Just as I figured Curt, looks better without the cupola.


Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 20, 2019, 10:49:13 AM
Quote from: mark dalrymple on September 19, 2019, 09:33:26 PM
I agree.  I think somehow it makes the model look toy like.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark,

I agree, it may look fine on George's build but I just didn't think it fit on my model.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 20, 2019, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: Janbouli on September 20, 2019, 03:18:07 AM
I'm with Curt and Mark, like it better without , looks way oversized to me also.

Jan,

I'm with you on this one as well. Makes the building look out of proportion. Certainly not southern.

Tom   ;D

Title: Re: FSM Fox Run Milling - scratch/kit bash
Post by: ACL1504 on September 20, 2019, 10:52:30 AM
Quote from: jerryrbeach on September 20, 2019, 06:25:44 AM
I vote for no cupola.  IMO it makes the building look less substantial.  FWIW, not sure a smaller cupola is going to be any better.

Jerry,

Thanks for the input. No cupola for sure. A nice chimney and a couple of vent stacks will do just fine.

Tom   ;D